You can’t profess to be a Muslim and be a follower of Christ at the same time, which is the big thing they’ve gotten into. They have soft theology and that is a weakness almost in the nature of things: If you’re reaching out to a lot of hurting people, you may start to compromise what you believe so you won’t hurt them or drive them away

What irritates you the most about typical conservative political positions? That many who take conservative political positions aren’t really being conservative. Conservatism starts out with modesty and humility. We don’t believe we come up with all of the answers for solving the world’s problems. The greatest enemy of traditional conservatism is ideology, because ideology is man-made. I live by revealed truth, I live by wisdom of the past. When I hear conservatives being arrogant and not civil in their discourse—that’s not my kind of conservatism. The talking heads on TV calling themselves conservatives . . . I cringe.

The two conservative talking heads on television with the highest ratings right now are Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly. What are your thoughts on them? They have very colorful, occasionally entertaining, more than occasionally outrageous shows. TV is a show. Jacques Ellul said in the ’60s that media will gravitate to centers of power and people will succumb to a political illusion. Ellul was a disciple of Kierkegaard, a Danish philosopher who in the 1850s made this prophetic utterance:

Someday, someone will invent a giant talking tube by which you can address the whole nation at once. Surely the police will arrest him, lest the populace become deranged.

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