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Heaven is Other People Too

A response to Mark Jones's "Hell's horror vs Heaven's Happiness"

Written by Paul Helm | Thursday, May 7, 2015

On planet earth what corrects our subjective beliefs that time has dragged or speeded up to a point where it races (both of which are, after all, false beliefs, like the belief that the rails of the railroad join at the horizon, or the stick bends when it is pushed into water), are the objective regularities which surround us. In heaven, likewise, if they occur they will be corrected by the presence of the society of the embodied saints. Heaven is commonly thought to be a society of the innumerable company of the redeemed.
In his entertaining ‘Hell’s horror vs Heaven’s Happiness‘ Mark Jones discusses time and eternity, especially time in heaven. In this brief blog I take the liberty to comment on it.

He makes the distinction between the timeless eternity of God’s existence with no beginning, no ending, no succession, and time  which began with the creature, having a past, present and future. To characterize the ‘eternal life’ available to the creature the medievals distinguish God’s timeless eternity with ‘aeviternity’ which has duration, a beginning but no end. (It entered discussion much earlier, in fact. Boethius (480-524) distinguishes between eternity and everlastingness (which is usually referred to these days as ‘sempiternity’), in The Consolation of Philosophy Book V) Mark points out that Herman Bavinck introduces the further distinction between extrinsic and intrinsic time (see, for example, Reformed Dogmatics I. 162 f.)

Extrinsic time is measured by external occurrences, like the movements of the heavenly bodies. Intrinsic time seems to be our own sense of the past, present and future. ‘We cannot escape the fact of intrinsic time because we are creatures’. What Mark entertains us with is may be called an essentially Bavinckian account of the creaturely eternity of heaven. So (on this occasion at least) the scholastic distinctions of Reformed Orthodoxy are left behind.

What interests me is that (following Bavinck) the Doctor of Distinctions so confidently says that extrinsic time will cease in eternity. He points out that here and now (as we say) sometimes time seems to stand still, while at other times it seems to move quickly. He says that in heaven time will fly for the redeemed because they are enjoying themselves. (I am not sure what illumination this casts on the particularities of heavenly or hellish existence, hell being the place where time drags intolerably. But we can leave that to one side here.)

But whatever is true of all that, is he not at this point not forgetting that the redeemed (and the damned?) will possess resurrection bodies, and form a society of such folk.
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