Huff and Rogan discussed when Rogan brought up the anti-Christian prejudice among elites, listening audiences are increasingly open to consensus-bucking narratives. Apologists should discard inadequate tools regardless of their utility, but there isn’t even a shallow pragmatic excuse left for keeping them now. The future of apologetics is maximalist.

Christian apologist Wesley Huff’s recent appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience is a conservative evangelical’s dream come true. For years, it seemed like wishful thinking that Rogan would even become aware that smart evangelical apologists existed, let alone invite one on his podcast as a guest.

Stephen Meyer broke into his bubble in 2023 through their mutual friendship with astrophysicist Brian Keating, but Meyer is unusually well-placed for such opportunities as a philosopher of science with many secular connections. When it comes to more church-focused Christian apologetics, the pond is small indeed and well outside Rogan’s normal sphere of interest. Until now.

The story of how Huff found himself on the show is a true viral media age parable. The first domino fell when Huff agreed to debate Billy Carson, an entrepreneur, TV personality, and self-styled expert in ancient civilizations—emphasis on “self-styled.” Predictably, Carson beclowned himself. (Among other embarrassing moments, he seriously attempted to argue that Jesus was never crucified.)

After the debate was released, Carson suddenly threatened legal action unless all clips from it were taken down. Of course, Huff knew this was pure theater since Carson was not only a public figure but a public American figure threatening to sue a Canadian.

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